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Title: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 30, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
Check out the sump I'm building.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on January 31, 2013, 12:04:58 AM
It looks pretty good. The only thing I would say is it looks like you are going to have a high water level in the sump, that might not be good if your return pump turns off for any reason. It may over flow your sump and get water everyware.
I wouldn't have the water level much over half way in the sump.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: fshaqrmman on January 31, 2013, 08:01:06 AM
I agree with SDangerfield. 
You probably want to lower your baffles down.
Mine looks very similar to this without the baffle to the far right.
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f6/quick-question-39293.html
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 06:17:20 PM
lowering the baffles is pretty much out of the equation. They are 2" below the top. That is approx. 3.12 gallons left in the sump. If the pump has 1/2" lines and a hole is drilled right below the water line of the return to stop the reverse siphon, there shouldn't be more than 3 gallons within in the line, probably not even a gallon. Would this be correct?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: fshaqrmman on January 31, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
I have a 90 gallon with 20L sump and 1/2" return line.  I just pulled the power to my pump and the water rose aprx. 2 3/8"
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 08:38:25 PM
Wow....Do you have a hole to stop the reverse siphon? What happens to the supply when the "power goes off?"
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Just thought of this...correct me if I'm wrong...would the level of water be lower in that 3rd chamber if its getting pumped out faster than its coming in?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: fshaqrmman on January 31, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
Yes, I have a hole at the elbow of my directional return to stop siphon. 
Yes, the water level could be lower depending on the size return pump you have.
I have a 90 gallon with 20 gallon sump.  I have a Mag Drive 9.5 wide open along with a separate pump for my chiller and my sump level stays consistent.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: js1218 on January 31, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
You have to look at the water in your overflow box level In the tank . also it go into your sump as well .
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 09:23:52 PM
sounds like I might be screwed  :banghead:
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
I guess I'm gonna have to take them out and get em re-cut. The skimmer I'm getting is recommended to be in water 8" deep, so I could go down to that height?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: js1218 on January 31, 2013, 10:01:33 PM
You only need two recut. Will be intown this weekend if you like see how my is
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
How can I re-cut them when they are already siliconed in place?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Sorry...brain fart...I would only need to take 2 out to get re-cut. Am I correct in guessing that I only need to take out the 2 on the left side, basically the refugium walls?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on January 31, 2013, 10:50:09 PM
If you only take out the two on the left side your water will still have to rise to the level of the highest baffle to make it in to the return chamber. I would cut all three shorter.
Mine are different heights, here is a picture of the baffles on my sump.
First baffle is there to trap and bring most of the bubbles to the surface.
The next three baffles are there to get rid of the rest of the bubbles.
The last baffle is the lowest of all of them and I have placed some of the frag rack stuff in front of it because at one point I had some filter floss infront of the frag rack divider to help filter the water. I choose not to run any mechanical filter in my sump. The filter socks seemed to get clogged up and overflow out the top, so I took the filter socks out months ago and don't have any problems.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on January 31, 2013, 11:17:10 PM
I was thinking all 3 as well. I wasn't gonna use the filter socks as well. How deep is the water in yours? my skimmer requires 8-10". So I'll probably cut them back to 8". That will give me double the amount of water left in the sump. So I'm hoping 6 gallons should cover the reverse siphon from the overflow box and the return line. Good looking out SDangerfield!
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: fshaqrmman on February 01, 2013, 07:53:21 AM
Yes, you will need to cut down the 3 the water passes 'over'.
I know it sucks...but it is better than saltwater on your floor when the power goes out. 
By the way....I had to do the same thing on my sump after I had it all siliconed and put together!
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 01, 2013, 08:40:47 AM
Sounds good. yeah, saltwater on the floor would suck, plus my girl would not be too happy!  :argue: I'll probably get to tearing it down this weekend. Any tips on getting the silicone out other than with a razor blade?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: js1218 on February 01, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
Is your refug on the left end and does your return come out of the middle? If it does then the baffle on the right the goes over 1st under 2nd and over 3rd  one. If this right you will need make the two that water goes over shorter on the right side . Just put valve into water supple for the refug so you can slow the flow into it
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 01, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
The first compartment on the left is the supply and skimmer, 2nd is the refugium, then I made homemade racks for mechanical filtration and/or media bags, the water then flows under and over into the 3rd which is the return compartment. I borrowed the idea for the setup and racks from these refugiums, which is what I was about to buy before realizing how much $ I could save.

http://www.triggersys.com/sumps_detailed.html (http://www.triggersys.com/sumps_detailed.html)
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: js1218 on February 01, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Later to night be intown if you like I show how my works if would like if you need see that closer to I get fold Danny see if you go there
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on February 01, 2013, 10:15:19 AM
I am not sure how high it is at the moment but I guess it is some where around 8".
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 01, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
Later to night be intown if you like I show how my works if would like if you need see that closer to I get fold Danny see if you go there

That would be great! I'm not available tonight (heading to columbia for work tomorrow). Are you or Danny available Sunday mid morning?
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: js1218 on February 01, 2013, 02:02:12 PM
Yes
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 01, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Yes

Ok cool I will PM you for your number later.

Any tips on getting the silicone out? Razor blade is a pain in the a$$
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: fshaqrmman on February 01, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
Brand new razor blade is the best thing I can think of.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 01, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
Got the 3 baffles out. Probably just scrap them and get new ones cut. Now to just get the residue off the aquarium glass.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on February 01, 2013, 08:28:13 PM
i would just get those recut or cut them yourself. The silicone should come off pretty easy if you have a good razor blade.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on February 01, 2013, 09:02:28 PM
I just measured the water level in my sump and it is right at 8.5 inches, but I think that is as high as it gets. So I would say it ranges from 7.5'' to 8.5''.
It is a 30 gallon long.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 02, 2013, 05:09:06 PM
OK sounds good. I'm gonna get new ones cut at 8". I don't feel like messing with the silicone on the baffles.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: FishFreak89 on February 03, 2013, 09:53:28 AM
always best to error on the side of caution when it comes to water level in the fuge... because you've also got to remember when power goes out, there's additional water in your skimmer (depending on how large your skimmer is, it could be substantial) that is above water level in the sump as well...

My first design  made sense on paper, but once I tested unplugging all pumps/skimmer it was too close for my likin so I redid it.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 04, 2013, 05:18:33 PM
Never thought about the skimmer. I've torn it apart and am getting the baffles redone at 8" and totally redesigning it.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on February 04, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
I have heard that you should design your sump around the best skimmer you can afford. I know that some people don't run there skimmer all the time, because they don't want to over skim their tank.
I personally think you should have your skimmer before you lay out your sump, that way you know you will have room for it and can get rid of all the bubbles it creates before they make it to your return pump.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 04, 2013, 08:45:45 PM
I have heard that too. The skimmer I have is a small footprint one..I think like 5x7. I was over at JS1218's house and took a look at his design and it kinda made sense for what I'm going for. Now to just get the glass cut again....
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 07, 2013, 10:58:31 PM
Picking up the new baffles tomorrow. Hopefully get them siliconed this weekend. I will post some pics of the design.
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SCdubr on February 16, 2013, 06:53:02 AM
Finally was able to find time to silicone the baffles in. With the new design (thanks John) the supply is split and goes to the left where the refugium is and to the right where the skimmer is. It all makes it way to the middle where the return pump is. 
Title: Re: DIY sump
Post by: SDangerfield on February 16, 2013, 07:39:54 PM
That is different then any I have seen. I never thought about doing it like that, but I think it will work just the same.
Do you have the tank running now or are you waiting to get the sump together?